• Daniel Budiansky

Daniel Budiansky


  • Daniel Budiansky is Enterprise Applications Technologist, EMC Backup Recovery Systems. Daniel has more than 12 years of experience in the IT industry and has implemented Data Domain deduplication storage systems into a broad scope of customer environments.

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02/02/2009

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How many of the customers adopting 10 gig ethernet are getting 10 gbps? My best guess would be none. Who actually got 1 gbps with the roll out of gig e? At least with FC you actually get the advertised 4 gbps. Who is really getting 10 gbps from 10 gig ethernet? Remember, the IP protocol doesn't do a good job in short distances. It was designed for long distances, hence all of the overhead it carries. That overhead is not needed in short distances (like backup) but it still employs it. I have never seen a vendor that provides VTL in their hardware so anti VTL like DataDomain is. Why is that? Why so anti FC from DD?

Aaron – thanks for engaging in the discussion. You raise a couple of fair questions. Firstly, I do not mean to imply that 10gbps Ethernet is an inherently superior protocol to 4gbps Fibre Channel. But to be architecturally viable, it doesn’t have to be, as even at relatively modest utilization, there is throughput parity between the two. Today, every major backup vendor provides native support for Data Domain systems as a NAS target, and some, such as Symantec with OpenStorage, go much further – as a whole, these interfaces are simple to manage, with none of the moving parts associated with tape. Our storage systems have all of these options (NAS/OST via Ethernet, VTL via FC), and we encourage our customers to investigate the questions of interface and transport independently, to choose the solution that best meets their needs.

Performance in the data center is a chain of various links - performance is impacted by a number of things - bandwidth is just one of them. Getting the data off of the backup servers is a big one and that often is the bottleneck. But it is all additive - when we can advance one aspect it creates efficiencies that can be leveraged.

The argument of FC versus Ethernet will eventually dissipate - since FCoE will be the ultimate convergence of the two over time.


I don't think DD is anti-FC or anti-VTL. We're simply agnostic. All of that stuff is ultimately plumbing to move data from point A to point B. The goal is simplicity and seamless integration into existing infrastructure. True, FC is present in most large data centers, whereas 10GbE is still gaining a foothold. So now we're in a state of emerging transport parity. So long as the transport is not the bottleneck, it is invisible to the process. However, no one can argue that VTL wins over disk-as-disk in terms of simplicity. Therefore, when performance is equally transparent across transports, and either infrastructure is available, then simplicity becomes the deciding factor. I think the point of Daniel's blog was to raise awareness about the changing landscape of high performance backup. Inclusion of a viable Ethernet competitor to FC is fair. And as Ethernet becomes more competitive to FC in the Data Center, perhaps it will prompt new innovation in the FC world as well in terms of simplicity and interoperability. When there is competition the customer wins.

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